2013 RULES: GM Accountability

Do you like the idea of "firing" a sim GM?

No
8
13%
Yes - But only in AFFL and with easy standards to meet.
20
33%
Yes - But only in AFFL and with a higher standard.
9
15%
Yes - Across all leagues.
23
38%
 
Total votes: 60

hoopie44641
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Re: 2013 RULES: GM Accountability

Post by hoopie44641 »

Im here to win as many games I can each yr and not all owners can get in the AFFL. Its not fun if owners dont want to win. I think all leagues should have the 10 wins in 3 yrs rule
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larry linke
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Re: 2013 RULES: GM Accountability

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I voted yes and for the AFFL only. I have no problem with a standard to keep my team over a three year period. It may stop teams from "tanking" and getting seven 1st round draft picks. The only option I may add is that if someone fails to meet the "standard", they are giving the opportunity to explain to the commish why they feel here team isn't performing. I would hate to see an original member removed from the league without an appeals process. I would think the the commish has a pretty good handle on how dedicated some members are.

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tino38
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Re: 2013 RULES: GM Accountability

Post by tino38 »

larry linke wrote:I voted yes and for the AFFL only. I have no problem with a standard to keep my team over a three year period. It may stop teams from "tanking" and getting seven 1st round draft picks. The only option I may add is that if someone fails to meet the "standard", they are giving the opportunity to explain to the commish why they feel here team isn't performing. I would hate to see an original member removed from the league without an appeals process. I would think the the commish has a pretty good handle on how dedicated some members are.

Larry
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I'd agree with all of this.
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Re: 2013 RULES: GM Accountability

Post by Strategist »

10 wins in 3 years? How many teams haven't accomplished that? I would be willing to bet very few if any at all. So in my estimation if we had this rule then it isn't a big deal. Easily attained for all.
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Re: 2013 RULES: GM Accountability

Post by chiefbrody »

I would hate to see an instant dismissal for something like this, if a GM who is very active went through a rebuilding year and two years worth of picks did not pan out and ran into injury trouble. Perhaps an unlikely scenario but not impossible.

Perhaps a competition committee to investigate such matters before automatically throwing down the axe?
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Re: 2013 RULES: GM Accountability

Post by hoopie44641 »

chiefbrody wrote:I would hate to see an instant dismissal for something like this, if a GM who is very active went through a rebuilding year and two years worth of picks did not pan out and ran into injury trouble. Perhaps an unlikely scenario but not impossible.

Perhaps a competition committee to investigate such matters before automatically throwing down the axe?
I agree there should be a safety net in place to prevent that from happening. I finished 6-10 and I could not win enough games in the next two seasons to win 10 games in which I would loose my team so some type of safety net could prevent that.
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Ben C.
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Re: 2013 RULES: GM Accountability

Post by Ben C. »

hoopie44641 wrote:
chiefbrody wrote:I would hate to see an instant dismissal for something like this, if a GM who is very active went through a rebuilding year and two years worth of picks did not pan out and ran into injury trouble. Perhaps an unlikely scenario but not impossible.

Perhaps a competition committee to investigate such matters before automatically throwing down the axe?
I agree there should be a safety net in place to prevent that from happening. I finished 6-10 and I could not win enough games in the next two seasons to win 10 games in which I would loose my team so some type of safety net could prevent that.
Hoopie, you don't think you can win more than 4 games over the next two seasons?
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Re: 2013 RULES: GM Accountability

Post by Chad55 »

I'm all for having some type of standard! Either it be 10 wins or whatever we come up with. I think that before a GM loses his team, he is given a fair chance to explain why he wasn't able to meet the standard. I also think there is a bigger factor to consider, and that is how active is the GM?
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Re: 2013 RULES: GM Accountability

Post by charlie813brown »

Chad55 wrote:I'm all for having some type of standard! Either it be 10 wins or whatever we come up with. I think that before a GM loses his team, he is given a fair chance to explain why he wasn't able to meet the standard. I also think there is a bigger factor to consider, and that is how active is the GM?

Yes, I don't want this to be cut and dry either. Some sort of review, with the idea being, if your team can't win 10 games in 3 years, you need to go before a committee or GMs from another league.

Plus, under the 49ers example. Walsh wouldn't have been fired. You wouldn't count previous records from a different GM, that would be completely Unfair!
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Re: 2013 RULES: GM Accountability

Post by Ulrich82 »

I'm in favor of the rule for the AFFL only. However, I don't think the committee or appeal process is a good idea. Frankly, if this is going to work, there has to be a clear in or out objective measuring stick. Having an appeals process only makes more work for Troy and exposes whoever is involved in the decision to accusations of personal bias.

For leagues other than the AFFL, I don't think we should throw out active owners. I'd like to see some way to slow down tanking and pick collection like a limit on the total number of first round picks a team can have in a single draft. There is a goal to hold the AFFL to a higher standard though, so some accountability seems like a good idea. It is not uncommon to see NFL coaches/GMs in playoff or bust years, and sometimes those guys get fired just due to bad luck in a make or break year. 10 wins over 3 years is a pretty low bar for a competitive league.
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